2007/09/24

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What happened when we left Vietnam

clipped by: caoilfhionn
clippers remarks: Telling the story of what happened to the Vietnamese when we withdraw. Which is why people are asking today, what is going to happen to the Iraqis when we leave?
The faces we saw running in terror from the North Vietnamese assault were real and familiar, not simply video images. The bodies that fell like spinning snowflakes toward cruel deaths after having clung hopelessly to the outer parts of departing helicopters and aircraft may have been people we knew or tried to help. Even for those who had lost their faith in America?s ability to defeat the Communists, this was not the way it was supposed to end.

How had they turned so virulently against their own countrymen? How could they stand and applaud the victory of a Communist enemy who had taken 58,000 American lives and crushed a struggling, pro-democratic ally?

No one has ever mentioned the concentration camps into which a million South Vietnamese soldiers were sent; 56,000 to die, 250,000 to stay for more than six years, and some for as long as 18. No one criticized the forced relocations, the corruption, or the continuing police state.


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On Vietnam, losing a winnable war

clipped by: caoilfhionn
clippers remarks: Its something thats rarely talked about, but its important in view of the attempts to recreate the same situation in Iraq.
I lay part of the blame on the fact that our politicians lost a winnable war.  You are at a great disadvantage in getting the truth out of the enemy when you lose, instead of winning -- rather like being a eunuch. The American and Vietnamese military were not defeated by the NVA, but were betrayed and defeated by politicians in the United States

The POW/MIA issue is extremely important, and I only wish that more people were working on it.  Not only is it important to get the fullest possible accounting for our POW/MIAs for the Vietnam War, but for the Korean War, World War II and the Cold War, but what we do or dont do now in accounting for these POWs will determine what will be done in accounting for our missing men and women in future wars.


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Cindy confronted by Bush supporter

clipped by: caoilfhionn
clippers remarks: Its something that happened in Cambodia after we left Vietnam, yet the anti-war Activists who claimed they cared so much about those people never shed a tear for millions killed at the hands of the Khmer Rouge. There is every reason to believe history will repeat itself in Iraq.
Clip Source: newsbusters.org
First, she got booted from the ultra-liberal website Daily Kos (h/t Ace)

Then, during a visit to Montgomery, Alabama, as part of her ?Summer of Love 2007? tour, Cindy was confronted by a Bush supporter who actually asked a rather cogent question

?What happens to Iraq after we leave??

This prompted a somewhat predictable exchange wherein Sheehan answered questions with questions rather than address the likely horrific genocide that will follow a capricious American troop withdrawal ( video available here with relevant section beginning at minute 3:50, partial transcript follows):


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Bushs Vietnam references suspect

clipped by: princessrachel19

the slaughter in Vietnam and Cambodia that followed our departure makes the case for why we cant leave Iraq yet.

His facts are right about the slaughter, but his lesson is suspect. Its not just that using a single aspect of the tortured Vietnam record to make a contemporary case is a shaky proposition. Its that were making the same mistake in Iraq that LBJ made in Vietnam - were doing for Iraqis what they wont do for themselves.


Those damning findings were mitigated only by one conclusion that supported Bush. The report predicted that, if American forces stop policing the civil war in Baghdad to focus on training Iraqis and fighting Al Qaeda, the move "would erode security gains achieved thus far."

last January, Bush said it was necessary to give the Iraqi government "breathing room" to forge political reconciliation and get its police and army in fighting shape.

Eight months later, its not working, and it wont as long as were doing for Iraqis what they should be doing



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